Good to see you back, Grim!Now that your posting again, maybe you can put up Hatamis testimony on Whitson. Then Ashley explores mystery man Reeve Whitson and his connection to the case, before taking a closer look at the operations conducted by the CIA and FBI in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas during the 1960s. The LAPD wanted to tie the murders to drug dealers who might have had a motive for murdering Frykowski. PDF Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. That is how I was able to write a 1200 page encyclopedia on Manson, etc. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? Because the CIA wanted to make the hippie movement look bad in the public eye. "Yes, it's true, there was a flag draped over the back of the sofa. . Those things, and wondering what really went on with William Garretson that night. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. I'd never really thought about it but I noticed on various forums people mentioned Moorehouse living at Cielo as though it were a fact then it occurred to me that if such a close associate of the Family lived in Cielo, that would be a pretty significant thing yet I didn't recall the prosecution making any noise about it. . Would he be sent back to jail for speeding ? It seems that every time someone new "writes a book" they come up with all kinds of things that have never been thought of. [3] During World War II he enlisted in the . None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prison. Regarding Whitson's interest in sportscars, author Tom O'Neill wrote in his book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties: These papers are in the Eisenhower Presidential Library in Abeliene, Kansas. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi?Sanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. When Manson and one of his CIA handlers, Reeve Whitson, rearranged the Tate murders crime scene before anyone else got there, they were literally setting the stage for the upcoming theatrical production. What ONeill said was that Whitsons name appeared four times, all during Hatamis testimony. When you have what Hatami testified and what Bugliosi testified regarding Hatamis testimony and gather these statements together under the aggregate phrase Hatamis testimony, then you can see that ONeill was not careless in how he represented his source. Grim, in the comment I posted above, I mentioned Dennis Hurst. He dumped bodies in Portland and there are a bunch of missing prostitutes in that time frame in Portland as well. ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. He didn't apply for it. I found Whitson to be the most interesting of the characters that O'Neill presented. More to come in O'Neill's updated version of CHAOS next year. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.Vera: Where'd ya learn that, Grim? Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap Podcast Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. No way this guy was just there to watch. A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst came between 6:30 and 7:00. He was never convicted of anything that was deemed to be serious enough to have him put back in the years '67~'69. And whenever this 'someone' is challenged to back up whatever cryptic utterances they gush forth, they just utter more of the same and bring in other cases not remotely connected.Yeah, I'm sceptical !So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? One of the girls actually tried his door knob. I'm robust. Ridgeway was an asshole, there was a great part during his trial where one of his victims father's stands up in open court and forgives him and Gary breaks down weeping uncontrollably, it's heartbreaking on both sides, Beauders in an interesting twist to the Ridgeway/Green River case detectives Dave Riechert and Bob Keppel went to Florida to interview Ted Bundy since alot of his victims were in the same area and killed in similar ways, this was fairly early in the case in 1984 and one of the first things Bundy recommended was staking out a fresh dump site and watch it for a few days and that Ridgeway would be back to interact with the corpse which was one of the hallmarks of Bundy's crimes and was also exactly what Ridgeway was doing. Reeve Whitson (1931 - 1994) - Biography and Family Tree - AncientFaces "Put yourself in my position. Charles Manson Case - Who Was Reeve Whitson? - YouTube And Reeves Witson, a friend of Mr. Hatami, and Mr. Hatami, appeared in my office.Q:Do you recall the date?A:NoQ:Do you recall the time of day?A:I think it was around noon if I'm not mistakenand finally:KANAREK:All right, now, did you cause Mr, Hatami's conversation with you to be recorded?BUGLIOSI:NoQ:Did you cause a stenographic reporter to come in and take down any notes concerning your conversation with Mr. Hatami? Mon Durphy, youre forgetting Manson, his mysterious partner, and of course Whitson who was in the house after the murders but before the police came. But you can get some meaty details right here. Bugliosi had covered up for Terry Melcher during the trial. John Irvin interview THE FLASHBACK FILES The son of an actress and a circus acrobat, Whitson enters our story when Tom O'Neill has Whitson phone Hatami early that Saturday morning we all know so well before anyone else discovered the bodies up on Cielo. TJ ? Someone above kept insisting he "popped up out of nowhere." I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. Not now, however. This program was headed by Gerald Shur of the DOJ. All be told I love a conspiracy book. He'd get arrested, that's all.That makes absolutely no senseIt makes abundant sense. He told me he was there after the murders, but before the police got there. Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. LOL. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. I really loved Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" three volume set. LOL. It was a probably Whitson tracking Abigail. Either way it's impressive. He is asked why he did not revoke Manson's probation earlier and he explains why. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. Chaos reads like a bad spy novel CIA spooks MK Ultra Manchurian candidates really just ridiculousEven the interesting parts such as why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimes went nowhere we've all heard this before I was hoping maybe the reasons would finally be expained but never where don't waste your money there's plenty of really good book's on the subject I believe my collection on the subject is right around 30 books, The craziest thing is 30 books is just the tip of the iceberg, I'd bet if one of the real experts in the TLB community sat down for a few hours and listed them there would be at least 150, if you added magazine articles, movies, TV specials, musical recordings, podcasts, you'd be at 1000 or more. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. He was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski. It's almost inevitable, however, even if only in a small way but I get wary eventually, if I find myself saying the same thing again and again.Incidentally, big thanks to you for mentioning the "Inside the Manson jury" book by Herman Tubick. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life, and I've been studying this case for years. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only ones. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigation. starviego saidI am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion.I agree. 7 Mind-Blowing Things We Learned From Joe Rogan's Charles Manson He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. Since O'Neill's sources said that Whitson was in the house after the murders but before the police came, O'Neill draws the conclusion that Whitson was Manson's partner. When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. I hardly think she was looking at furnishings in the house when Tex "sic'd her" on the residents. [Irvin is talking about Reeve Whitson - Ed.] We don't the degree of his involvement or guilt. He also knew Charles Manson. That doesn't make any sense. Reeve Whitson? It's the stuff conspiracy theories are made of ! The instance of the book saying that Dean Moorehouse lived at Cielo is unforgivable because it is errantly misleading, pure and simple. I spot them right away. I also suspect John Lennon's murder is simply another example of a CHAOS/COINTELPRO operation, to discredit the Beatles and demean opposition to the Vietnam War (as far fetched as it sounds). Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. This is the third time. Hatami directed him to the caretaker's guest house on the other side of the pool, where Rudy Altobelli lived. Versions of how the flag got there:Coroner, Thomas T. Noguchi and Joseph DiMonapg132the large American flag draped over the couch. left. Newly unearthed audio of Manson admitting he was part of a special "Federal Protection Program" when he was released from Terminal Island in March 1967 proves Tom O'Neill's contention there was a hands off policy towards Manson prior to the TLB killings. Grim saidSanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. Did you have a police officer contact him, or did you contact him by phone?MR MUSICH: I object to the question as immaterial, your Honor, how he got thereQ:Just foundatiorial, your HonorA: I learned about the existence of Mr. Hatami from Rudy Altobelli, and at that time I contacted the LAPD and I told them to find Hatami and bring him to my office. CAROL!!! He was a big talker and might have been a bit of Colonel Flagg type, but there is no doubt he had a lot of connections.How Whitson got so close to Bugliosi is strange and helped put pressure on Hatami. He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. Border Patrol agents finally breached the door about 40 minutes to an hour later when a staff member gave them a key. Mon didn't Moorehouse start out as a "preacher" and when he met up with Charlie regarding Ruth Ann he was so "enamoured" by him that he willingly GAVE his same daughter to that leacherous 30-something year old ex-con, supposedly to join up with his "sex cult" in order to partake in the drugs and sex that the "cult" offered?So, in other words, he offered his own daughter as some kind of "present" to Charlie so that he could partake in the tawdry dealings of the "cult". He was a marginally employed and only marginally sane police groupie. The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson ", Another one of Ed Sanders mysterious names with stories too interesting to be true, animal sacrifices, human sacrifices, porn movies filmed of the family at some Malibu mansion, Susan drinking blood and pooping on stairwells, Charlie biting through umbilical cord, blah, blah, blah, The Family is more a work of fiction than Lord of the Rings. "*Winifred Chapman, presumably.Greg King's book quoting BUGLIOSI : Mrs CHAPMAN told police investigators that it had simply been placed on the back of the couch as a decorative touch a few weeks earlier .Sharon Tate Remembered by Sheila WellsThe red, white and blue nursery colors reminded me of reading about the murder scene and how there was an American flag draped over Sharon's sofa. Frankly, if I was afraid of any comeback, I wouldn't even be getting involved in an on~line discussion that anyone in the world with an internet connection could chance upon. Family, friend, or fan, this family history biography is for you to remember Reeve Whitson. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've never said that I read this. Regardless, most of the info on my friend's father matches the info on Whitson. More on Reeve Whitson - Zodiac Killer Identified Reeve lived in 1935, at address, Indiana. I applaud Tom O'Neil for his extreme efforts to find the truth. They were estranged at the time and that was the only way for him to track her. William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more. Texas Shooting: 40 Cops Stood Around Outside the School for 40 Minutes Melcher told me he had no memory of it. He didn't even want to leave prison.Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent backIn your opinion. I am also considered an information hoarder. Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent back. At the same time he was befriending CIA agent Reeve Whitson, Manson was also meeting with Charles Winans, an operative from Naval Intelligence. And it just lingers in cyberspace and in time, becomes accepted as some kind of unshakable truth. Oh Mario I wasn't even talking about you! I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? Study the case properly, arm yourself with information that is there and you will see why he was not sent back to prison. I can't imagine Candace Bergen allowing that.But that's just me.. Katie I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughters, he is the worst kind of person. He was also connected with WW II Nazis, especially Skorzeny, construction, the Mafia bosses Trafficante, Giancana, Ruby, he was an ace pilot, flew weapons and people into and out of Cuba, Central and South America. You ought to get a hold of the trial testimony of his parole/probation officer, Samuel Barrett. His lead investigator was a man (allegedly) named Reeve Whitson, who the CIA said they could neither confirm nor deny he ever worked for them. Basically a long winded version of what I said, Chapman said it was there. "That was Sharon. It belonged to them. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. Ha,ha Ms Katie.Maybe for you "life just gets more better and more clearer"but for me?.NEVERMINDlolMario George Nitrini 111-----The OJ Simpson Case. Someone you don't know, ostensibly on the other side of the world, appears and starts making claims about "HAPPENINGS" at "SPAHN RANCH" when some bikers hung up there at the same time a group of people that spawned a number of murderers. I don't know if it's a typo or just laziness. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be. ", Lol "an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for him", all I see is one firmer film company president saying only "he knew about the Manson case", "Richard and Rita Edlund" whoever the fuck they were, Neil Cummings "a lawyer friend" of Whitsons (again WOW!! Average Age & Life Expectancy Reeve Whitson lived 9 years shorter than the average Whitson family member when they died at the age of 63. ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. He was very, very helpful. LONG before O'Neill's book CHAOS came out, I was tracking Reeve Whitson because his name came up in the ORIGINAL Tate-Labianca trial transcripts. Yeah, look I can see Whitson as a very bit player in the whole saga but as some Matt Damon Bourne Supremacy operative, not while the grass is green and the sky is blue. 3) The intersection of military intelligence, Hollywood and the mob runs directly into the Linkletter family, who were involved in a myriad of legitimate and no so much legit businesses. It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. Winans was the one who coordinated the Tate-LaBianca killings. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. Manson says the program was meant to "keep him out of jail." He was a very dark player. Another to identify | SlotForum Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? by Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA He might have been seated between Jay & Sharon at dinner, being BFF's with them and all.But then, he was Gone With the Wind.Sorry guys, I'm having a hard time believing that someone with super powers like this mysterious guy was so very close to Sharon & Jay, yet did nothing to prevent their murders. Scares the shit out of me to think of it. Retweets. I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedanticYeah, I can see that. Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. its being called 'Havana Syndrome' and its Believed it was caused by secret sonic weaponry now being called out in a new investigation. When Reeve starting working for the CIA is unknown. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? Hey grimtraveller,I'm also glad you're backPlease check-out the comments from this blog-posthttp://www.lsb3.com/2019/08/leave-something-witchy.html?m=1pertaining to comments by myself, Bobby, & Ms Katie regarding"The Construction Site. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrivedAnd got in a quick call to Hatami !Well, for 50 years, we've had a sackful of those that were "supposed" to be at Cielo that night. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. And when he did, he did it for things that were legally enforceable {dubious source of income, not reporting his whereabouts, aided by the suspicions of LASO that he was involved in car theft and was therefore being watched}. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. To keep it short, there was a CIA agent named Reeve Whitson in the Tate-Polanski circle who might have been known to the Manson family as well. Well we don't really know Whitson's story at the source. He probably didn't mention his Mum or his son but it doesn't mean they weren't in his mind. Lotus, Brabham, McLaren, Cooper and a few others joined, but the venture failed because Whitson . California Deaths, 1940 - 1997. They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. Or better yet, he's like "The Flash". Why would a person working in a top-secret division of the CIA give his real name and identity out to almost everyone? That makes absolutely no sense. I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. Who. Lamar said A lot of people only see what they want to seeUnless of course you have no agenda to begin with.Open your minds!Does not the fact that there are so many alternative theories cause you to open your mind and wonder why ? Maybe Whit Reeveson is like an imaginary friend. Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. . My conclusion, given the research I've done so far, is MY FRIEND"S FATHER KNEW WHITSON (if Whitson existed) and used Whitson's information to disguise himself or Whitson used my friend's father's info to add to his own. I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. In fact, did he even mention the Family ? Whitson and Bugliosi then coerced Hatami's testimony by threatening him with deportation. William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? This contradicted Melchers testimony that after his May 1969 visit to Spahn Ranch he never saw Charlie again.I bring these last points up to show that ONeills book should be taken seriously for the information it contains from documents and from people close to the case. I'll research it and test it and weigh it up and shake it to bits ~ and I insist that people do likewise with what I say.Mon Durphy said Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guyI know what you mean about him, I kind of agree but, he definitely has had issues for almost half a century where Bugliosi is concerned Well grimtraveller,nice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lol.You say grim:"Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ? Robertson was born in Manard, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, on August 3, 1920 [2] and attended Vanderbilt University before and after the war. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. That's one of the reasons that there is so much wrong info out there on this subject and why so many ridiculous theories abound and so much importance is placed on anything that appears to be new and vital.So, with all that in mind, just where would information pertaining to Dean Moorehouse molesting his daughters have come from ? That dude killed 50+ women and bargained for his life. There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. Moorehouse said hed lived at Cielo off and on throughout the summer of 68, when Melcher was there. Who is he again ? TY, https://zodiackilleridentified.com/2021/07/. He told and then showed where a lot of missing women were. When I think of those kinds of things, I actually start to get scared. It's the inevitable outcome of the crypic utterances. Took me 20 years but I wrote a book about what y'all know as - Reddit "ThanksMario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. Extended interview: 50 years after the Manson - The Georgia Straight According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00.
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